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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://mccain.blogsforvictory.com/2008/06/11/this-isnt-the-jim-johnson-i-thought-i-knew/#comment-1517</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey... as long as we are talking about judgement of candidates based on who they are using in their campaign........

&lt;blockquote&gt;WASHINGTON  — Questions from the media prompted Republican John McCain to cancel a fundraiser at the home of a Texas oilman who once joked that women should give in while being raped.

The Texan, Republican Clayton "Claytie" Williams, made the joke during his failed 1990 campaign for governor against Democrat Ann Richards. Williams compared rape to the weather, saying, "As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it." He also compared Richards to the cattle on his ranch, saying he would "head her and hoof her and drag her through the dirt."

&lt;b&gt;Williams' comments made national news at the time and remain easy to find on the Internet. Even so, McCain's campaign said it hadn't known about the remarks.&lt;/b&gt;

The campaign said it would not return money Williams had raised for McCain because the contributions came from other individuals supporting McCain and not from Williams. Williams told his hometown newspaper, the Midland Reporter-Telegram, that he had raised more than $300,000 for McCain.
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Easily found and natianal news at the time.  Is this "Old School politics or Ignorance"?

Williams made the comments in 1990.  McCain was in his 50's.  It isn't like Williams made the comments when McCain was 4 yrs old.  McCain should have been well aware of the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8230; as long as we are talking about judgement of candidates based on who they are using in their campaign&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<blockquote><p>WASHINGTON  — Questions from the media prompted Republican John McCain to cancel a fundraiser at the home of a Texas oilman who once joked that women should give in while being raped.</p>
<p>The Texan, Republican Clayton &#8220;Claytie&#8221; Williams, made the joke during his failed 1990 campaign for governor against Democrat Ann Richards. Williams compared rape to the weather, saying, &#8220;As long as it&#8217;s inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it.&#8221; He also compared Richards to the cattle on his ranch, saying he would &#8220;head her and hoof her and drag her through the dirt.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>Williams&#8217; comments made national news at the time and remain easy to find on the Internet. Even so, McCain&#8217;s campaign said it hadn&#8217;t known about the remarks.</b></p>
<p>The campaign said it would not return money Williams had raised for McCain because the contributions came from other individuals supporting McCain and not from Williams. Williams told his hometown newspaper, the Midland Reporter-Telegram, that he had raised more than $300,000 for McCain.
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<p>Easily found and natianal news at the time.  Is this &#8220;Old School politics or Ignorance&#8221;?</p>
<p>Williams made the comments in 1990.  McCain was in his 50&#8217;s.  It isn&#8217;t like Williams made the comments when McCain was 4 yrs old.  McCain should have been well aware of the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That being said, I think its fair (and please correct me if you think I’m being unfair) to say that one of the main messages of Obama’s campaign is that judgment trumps experience.&lt;/i&gt;

Fair enough that judgement is a big part of Obama, but it really is not just judgement, but his ideas and plans.  I just feel that it is his plans that should be what is talked about.  
Who he knew previously in his life is of no consequence to me, you or anyone else.  Obama hasn't done anything wrong.  If his plans are something I believe in, I'll gladly debate on that topic.  Debating if Obama is wrong for knowing people, just is fruitless.  
If you want to go that route... do you have any comments on Mccain's acquaintences (post #2)?

&lt;i&gt;I’m sure there will be plenty of discussion on why these policies failed thirty years ago when Jimmy Carter tried them. &lt;/i&gt;
Haven't the same McCain plans failed over the last 8 yrs?  Didn't the gap between the haves and have nots grow significantly during the Reagan years, then again during Bush?  Those are the same policies being pushed by McCain now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That being said, I think its fair (and please correct me if you think I’m being unfair) to say that one of the main messages of Obama’s campaign is that judgment trumps experience.</i></p>
<p>Fair enough that judgement is a big part of Obama, but it really is not just judgement, but his ideas and plans.  I just feel that it is his plans that should be what is talked about.<br />
Who he knew previously in his life is of no consequence to me, you or anyone else.  Obama hasn&#8217;t done anything wrong.  If his plans are something I believe in, I&#8217;ll gladly debate on that topic.  Debating if Obama is wrong for knowing people, just is fruitless.<br />
If you want to go that route&#8230; do you have any comments on Mccain&#8217;s acquaintences (post #2)?</p>
<p><i>I’m sure there will be plenty of discussion on why these policies failed thirty years ago when Jimmy Carter tried them. </i><br />
Haven&#8217;t the same McCain plans failed over the last 8 yrs?  Didn&#8217;t the gap between the haves and have nots grow significantly during the Reagan years, then again during Bush?  Those are the same policies being pushed by McCain now.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfectly said, Matt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfectly said, Matt.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt DiBari</title>
		<link>http://mccain.blogsforvictory.com/2008/06/11/this-isnt-the-jim-johnson-i-thought-i-knew/#comment-1495</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt DiBari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Barack Obama chooses to start running on policy, I'm sure there will be plenty of discussion on why these policies failed thirty years ago when Jimmy Carter tried them. 

I for one, do look forward to Barack Obama explaining to the American people why $4/gallon gas would be fine if it took a little longer to get there. 

That being said, I think its fair (and please correct me if you think I'm being unfair) to say that one of the main messages of Obama's campaign is that judgment trumps experience. Barack Obama tells us that we should vote for him, even though he has very little experience, because he has better judgment. 

Well, this campaign has revealed that his judgment on a variety of issues over the course of his adult life is pretty horrendous. And without "good judgment" he's the same big government liberal that America has rejected from McGovern to Carter to Mondale to Dukakis. So yes, whether you like it or not, Barack Obama's own campaign turns his friends and associates into an issue this year.

Further more, if Barack Obama has the wool pulled over his eyes by every crackpot and two bit con in the greater Chicago area, why on earth should I trust this man with Ahmadinejad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Barack Obama chooses to start running on policy, I&#8217;m sure there will be plenty of discussion on why these policies failed thirty years ago when Jimmy Carter tried them. </p>
<p>I for one, do look forward to Barack Obama explaining to the American people why $4/gallon gas would be fine if it took a little longer to get there. </p>
<p>That being said, I think its fair (and please correct me if you think I&#8217;m being unfair) to say that one of the main messages of Obama&#8217;s campaign is that judgment trumps experience. Barack Obama tells us that we should vote for him, even though he has very little experience, because he has better judgment. </p>
<p>Well, this campaign has revealed that his judgment on a variety of issues over the course of his adult life is pretty horrendous. And without &#8220;good judgment&#8221; he&#8217;s the same big government liberal that America has rejected from McGovern to Carter to Mondale to Dukakis. So yes, whether you like it or not, Barack Obama&#8217;s own campaign turns his friends and associates into an issue this year.</p>
<p>Further more, if Barack Obama has the wool pulled over his eyes by every crackpot and two bit con in the greater Chicago area, why on earth should I trust this man with Ahmadinejad?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama gets elected, I can't wait for the parade of mis-judgments:

Mahmoud Amisfhnioiebnjdad is not the man I thought he was.

Chavez is not the man I thought he was.

Kim Jong-Il is not the man I thought he was.

Hamas is not the group I thought they were.

Code Pink is not the group I thought they were.

George Soros is not the man I thought he was.

You name it.  You accept the votes of wackos then throw them off the bus when their relationship is inconvenient.

When is he going to prove he has ever had GOOD judgment on anything?  If that is his campaign talking point, he should be able to back it up by SOMETHING eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama gets elected, I can&#8217;t wait for the parade of mis-judgments:</p>
<p>Mahmoud Amisfhnioiebnjdad is not the man I thought he was.</p>
<p>Chavez is not the man I thought he was.</p>
<p>Kim Jong-Il is not the man I thought he was.</p>
<p>Hamas is not the group I thought they were.</p>
<p>Code Pink is not the group I thought they were.</p>
<p>George Soros is not the man I thought he was.</p>
<p>You name it.  You accept the votes of wackos then throw them off the bus when their relationship is inconvenient.</p>
<p>When is he going to prove he has ever had GOOD judgment on anything?  If that is his campaign talking point, he should be able to back it up by SOMETHING eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or wait.....

Could it be that there are those close advisors to McCain that have made millions in dealing with Iran.  Despite sanctions.

Carley Fiorina:
&lt;i&gt;Forbes: Hewlett Packard Exported Goods To Dubai To Open Up Markets In Iran. In the April 12, 2004 issue a Forbes magazine story entitled, "Trading With The Enemy" reported, "If you want to get around export controls, just sell the product to a front company in Dubai. The middlemen will take it from there... 
While other IT companies were wary to target Iranian markets due to sanctions, Hewlett Packard maintained it's ability to sell products to the country through a joint venture.&lt;/i&gt;

Charlie Black (lobbyist for GE):
&lt;i&gt;2000: While Black Served As Their Lobbyist, GE Supplied Hydroelectric Generators To Iran. In 2000, General Electric Canada Inc. agreed to supply four hydroelectric generators to Iran Water and Power Resources Development Co&lt;/i&gt;

Grant Aldonas (lobbyist for Mittal Steel):
&lt;i&gt;The SEC Announced That Mittal Steel Was "Indirectly Subsidizing A Terrorist Haven." The Securities and Exchange Commission listed Mittal Steel USA as having links to "countries designated as state sponsors of terror." &lt;/i&gt;

Peter Madigan (lobbyist for Shell Oil):
&lt;i&gt;The SEC Announced That Royal Dutch Shell Was "Indirectly Subsidizing A Terrorist Haven."  The Securities and Exchange Commission listed Royal Dutch Shell as having links to "countries designated as state sponsors of terror."  &lt;/i&gt;

Randy Scheunemann (lobbyist for BP Amoco):
&lt;i&gt;The SEC Announced That BP Was "Indirectly Subsidizing A Terrorist Haven." The Securities and Exchange Commission listed British Petroleum as having links to "countries designated as state sponsors of terror."&lt;/i&gt;


See how completely silly this all is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or wait&#8230;..</p>
<p>Could it be that there are those close advisors to McCain that have made millions in dealing with Iran.  Despite sanctions.</p>
<p>Carley Fiorina:<br />
<i>Forbes: Hewlett Packard Exported Goods To Dubai To Open Up Markets In Iran. In the April 12, 2004 issue a Forbes magazine story entitled, &#8220;Trading With The Enemy&#8221; reported, &#8220;If you want to get around export controls, just sell the product to a front company in Dubai. The middlemen will take it from there&#8230;<br />
While other IT companies were wary to target Iranian markets due to sanctions, Hewlett Packard maintained it&#8217;s ability to sell products to the country through a joint venture.</i></p>
<p>Charlie Black (lobbyist for GE):<br />
<i>2000: While Black Served As Their Lobbyist, GE Supplied Hydroelectric Generators To Iran. In 2000, General Electric Canada Inc. agreed to supply four hydroelectric generators to Iran Water and Power Resources Development Co</i></p>
<p>Grant Aldonas (lobbyist for Mittal Steel):<br />
<i>The SEC Announced That Mittal Steel Was &#8220;Indirectly Subsidizing A Terrorist Haven.&#8221; The Securities and Exchange Commission listed Mittal Steel USA as having links to &#8220;countries designated as state sponsors of terror.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>Peter Madigan (lobbyist for Shell Oil):<br />
<i>The SEC Announced That Royal Dutch Shell Was &#8220;Indirectly Subsidizing A Terrorist Haven.&#8221;  The Securities and Exchange Commission listed Royal Dutch Shell as having links to &#8220;countries designated as state sponsors of terror.&#8221;  </i></p>
<p>Randy Scheunemann (lobbyist for BP Amoco):<br />
<i>The SEC Announced That BP Was &#8220;Indirectly Subsidizing A Terrorist Haven.&#8221; The Securities and Exchange Commission listed British Petroleum as having links to &#8220;countries designated as state sponsors of terror.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>See how completely silly this all is?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not going to defend Johnson.  I will however, just say that it really must be tough to find things on Obama himself.  Everything brought up as a knock on Obama is really based on things that someone else did.  
I will give you that this could have been vetted better.  

As long as we are digging deeper on those that support Presidential candidates, should we discuss &lt;a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9246.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Phil Gramm&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to see if McCain's judgement is poor?  After all McCain is not only using him as an economic advisor but also discussing him as a potential Treas Secretary in a McCain Administration.

Let's get all advisors and all acquaintences out in the open with all their backgrounds.

Again........ gas at $4 a gal.  Foreclosures up all over.  Food prices skyrocketing.  Jobless rate rising.  Stock Market plumetting.

We are worrying about a guy that was simply vetting potential VP candidates.  

I understand you guys all say "But this points to Obama's judgement issues".  I say all of Obama's plans are right there on his website.  Those should be wide open to discussion and those policies versus McCain's policies are what should be discussed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to defend Johnson.  I will however, just say that it really must be tough to find things on Obama himself.  Everything brought up as a knock on Obama is really based on things that someone else did.<br />
I will give you that this could have been vetted better.  </p>
<p>As long as we are digging deeper on those that support Presidential candidates, should we discuss <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9246.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Phil Gramm</b></a> to see if McCain&#8217;s judgement is poor?  After all McCain is not only using him as an economic advisor but also discussing him as a potential Treas Secretary in a McCain Administration.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get all advisors and all acquaintences out in the open with all their backgrounds.</p>
<p>Again&#8230;&#8230;.. gas at $4 a gal.  Foreclosures up all over.  Food prices skyrocketing.  Jobless rate rising.  Stock Market plumetting.</p>
<p>We are worrying about a guy that was simply vetting potential VP candidates.  </p>
<p>I understand you guys all say &#8220;But this points to Obama&#8217;s judgement issues&#8221;.  I say all of Obama&#8217;s plans are right there on his website.  Those should be wide open to discussion and those policies versus McCain&#8217;s policies are what should be discussed.</p>
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