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		<title>By: The New Conservative</title>
		<link>http://mccain.blogsforvictory.com/2008/06/16/energy-supply-and-demand-ignored/#comment-1601</link>
		<dc:creator>The New Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think Obama is not going to raise taxes beyond letting the ones Bush gave us expire your dreaming.  He's going to raise them on capital gains, almost doubling them from 15 to 28%.  Increase the amount that can be taxed for Social Security.  That's just what he admits he'd raise taxes on.  No telling what he'll do if he makes it to the White House

 http://thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think Obama is not going to raise taxes beyond letting the ones Bush gave us expire your dreaming.  He&#8217;s going to raise them on capital gains, almost doubling them from 15 to 28%.  Increase the amount that can be taxed for Social Security.  That&#8217;s just what he admits he&#8217;d raise taxes on.  No telling what he&#8217;ll do if he makes it to the White House</p>
<p> <a href="http://thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: JT Wipple</title>
		<link>http://mccain.blogsforvictory.com/2008/06/16/energy-supply-and-demand-ignored/#comment-1562</link>
		<dc:creator>JT Wipple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John McCain today got the assurance from the top oil and gas executives in this country, and England, that they’ll do what ever it take to ensure Mr. McCain the White House. To this end, they’ve pledged that one dollar out of every 5 paid at the pump both here and in Europe, will go directly to the Republican Campaign. So next time you buy gas, do it with pride knowing that one dollar out of each 5 you spend is not only going to help John McCain, but the rest of the Republican slate. The other pledge John McCain wrested from Oil Men is that once elected, the price of gas will stabilize at just 7 dollars a gallon for at least until January 2010. 

check out more at: McCainCan.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McCain today got the assurance from the top oil and gas executives in this country, and England, that they’ll do what ever it take to ensure Mr. McCain the White House. To this end, they’ve pledged that one dollar out of every 5 paid at the pump both here and in Europe, will go directly to the Republican Campaign. So next time you buy gas, do it with pride knowing that one dollar out of each 5 you spend is not only going to help John McCain, but the rest of the Republican slate. The other pledge John McCain wrested from Oil Men is that once elected, the price of gas will stabilize at just 7 dollars a gallon for at least until January 2010. </p>
<p>check out more at: McCainCan.blogspot.com</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://mccain.blogsforvictory.com/2008/06/16/energy-supply-and-demand-ignored/#comment-1558</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KM,
Anyone who gets in needs to cut spending somehow.  The tax increase that you talk about (from letting the cuts expire) is only half true.
The tax cuts on the top 1% of Americans would expire.  Everyone else would keep the cuts or get additional cuts.
The top 1% can withstand an increase in this economy.  The middle class/lower class are the ones that will go out and spend every dime they get extra in their paycheck.  That, in turn would stimulate the economy.  
When the economy is back on track, then you can talk about more cuts for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KM,<br />
Anyone who gets in needs to cut spending somehow.  The tax increase that you talk about (from letting the cuts expire) is only half true.<br />
The tax cuts on the top 1% of Americans would expire.  Everyone else would keep the cuts or get additional cuts.<br />
The top 1% can withstand an increase in this economy.  The middle class/lower class are the ones that will go out and spend every dime they get extra in their paycheck.  That, in turn would stimulate the economy.<br />
When the economy is back on track, then you can talk about more cuts for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://mccain.blogsforvictory.com/2008/06/16/energy-supply-and-demand-ignored/#comment-1557</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,
The point of opposing the gas tax is that it is freaking useless.  Giving someone a $40 break over a 3 month period isn't going to help anyone.
Dropping the gas tax would presumably cause more driving as people think they are getting a break.  More driving causes more demand for gas.  That demand causes prices to go up.

So the 18 cents a gallon you save will go away as the price of gas rises.  So you end up paying the same price as if there was the tax.  The only difference is the Highway fund doesn't get a dime.  So you get nothing, the Highway fund gets nothing and the gas companies get more money.

The gas tax is targeted for the Highway Fund only.

As for the $1000 you save from Obama's cuts, they are offset by tax increases on those making over $2.5 million.

Really... follow the link in my earlier post, it goes thru this.  You need to read and make decisions on your own instead of listening to the right-wing machine that tells you Dems do nothing but lie and raise taxes on everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,<br />
The point of opposing the gas tax is that it is freaking useless.  Giving someone a $40 break over a 3 month period isn&#8217;t going to help anyone.<br />
Dropping the gas tax would presumably cause more driving as people think they are getting a break.  More driving causes more demand for gas.  That demand causes prices to go up.</p>
<p>So the 18 cents a gallon you save will go away as the price of gas rises.  So you end up paying the same price as if there was the tax.  The only difference is the Highway fund doesn&#8217;t get a dime.  So you get nothing, the Highway fund gets nothing and the gas companies get more money.</p>
<p>The gas tax is targeted for the Highway Fund only.</p>
<p>As for the $1000 you save from Obama&#8217;s cuts, they are offset by tax increases on those making over $2.5 million.</p>
<p>Really&#8230; follow the link in my earlier post, it goes thru this.  You need to read and make decisions on your own instead of listening to the right-wing machine that tells you Dems do nothing but lie and raise taxes on everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: JT Wipple</title>
		<link>http://mccain.blogsforvictory.com/2008/06/16/energy-supply-and-demand-ignored/#comment-1556</link>
		<dc:creator>JT Wipple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John McCain has stated, in his usual straight talk style, that we must beef up our military in order to win our war with Iraq, and others in the near future (Iran?) The right way forward is to institute a draft that fair and equitable to everyone involved, and the plan is the fully vetted and trusted Rumsfeld Plan. Under the Rumsfeld plan, anyone not involved in a war critical civilian position, or anyone otherwise considered by the federal draft board to be draft exempt due to other “considerations”, and between the ages of 16 and 47 will be draft eligible. John McCain has stated that the need for manpower is so great, that no other criteria will be considered in determining eligibility. Conscription and tour length in war zones will, of course, be for the duration. John McCain, ever fiscally responsible, also has a brilliant plan to make veteran care and benefits pay for themselves as an adjunct to the Rumsfeld plan. John McCain has promised that those conscripted will be offered the option to “bounty out” of military service. For the nominal sum of $10,000 thousand dollars every 18 months, a conscript will be able to postpone military service. For $25,000 a conscript will be permanently exempt from military service. John McCain has affirmed that the funds raised in this way will pay for all veterans’ benefits, plus fund the slimed down, modernized, version of the G.I. Bill of Rights currently under consideration by the responsible party and our President. There will be enough money left over to further reduce that tax burden of deserving Americans (we know that “Trickle Down” works and has always worked!) John McCain also has a plan to empty out our prisons and make valuable use of the human waste that we are paying millions a day to keep in custody. We’ll get into that plan next time! Until then VOTE MCCAIN! We will never surrender to the Iraqis! We will never surrender to the Iranians!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McCain has stated, in his usual straight talk style, that we must beef up our military in order to win our war with Iraq, and others in the near future (Iran?) The right way forward is to institute a draft that fair and equitable to everyone involved, and the plan is the fully vetted and trusted Rumsfeld Plan. Under the Rumsfeld plan, anyone not involved in a war critical civilian position, or anyone otherwise considered by the federal draft board to be draft exempt due to other “considerations”, and between the ages of 16 and 47 will be draft eligible. John McCain has stated that the need for manpower is so great, that no other criteria will be considered in determining eligibility. Conscription and tour length in war zones will, of course, be for the duration. John McCain, ever fiscally responsible, also has a brilliant plan to make veteran care and benefits pay for themselves as an adjunct to the Rumsfeld plan. John McCain has promised that those conscripted will be offered the option to “bounty out” of military service. For the nominal sum of $10,000 thousand dollars every 18 months, a conscript will be able to postpone military service. For $25,000 a conscript will be permanently exempt from military service. John McCain has affirmed that the funds raised in this way will pay for all veterans’ benefits, plus fund the slimed down, modernized, version of the G.I. Bill of Rights currently under consideration by the responsible party and our President. There will be enough money left over to further reduce that tax burden of deserving Americans (we know that “Trickle Down” works and has always worked!) John McCain also has a plan to empty out our prisons and make valuable use of the human waste that we are paying millions a day to keep in custody. We’ll get into that plan next time! Until then VOTE MCCAIN! We will never surrender to the Iraqis! We will never surrender to the Iranians!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric T</title>
		<link>http://mccain.blogsforvictory.com/2008/06/16/energy-supply-and-demand-ignored/#comment-1555</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe- you say with Obama — you save $1042, now I'm I really suppose to believe that, when Obama, you, and the democrats are making a fuss about parting with $30 or $40 bucks for the gas tax. 

Ok, so Obama can't handle cutting us a little break on the gas price now, but when he gets in he is going to give me over a $1,000. Sounds like B.S.

 It very well could be just another empty promise from a politician. If he ain't gonna part with $40 he surely won't part with $1000. We'll get some excuses about how much debt is there, blah, blah, blah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe- you say with Obama — you save $1042, now I&#8217;m I really suppose to believe that, when Obama, you, and the democrats are making a fuss about parting with $30 or $40 bucks for the gas tax. </p>
<p>Ok, so Obama can&#8217;t handle cutting us a little break on the gas price now, but when he gets in he is going to give me over a $1,000. Sounds like B.S.</p>
<p> It very well could be just another empty promise from a politician. If he ain&#8217;t gonna part with $40 he surely won&#8217;t part with $1000. We&#8217;ll get some excuses about how much debt is there, blah, blah, blah.</p>
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		<title>By: KMorrison</title>
		<link>http://mccain.blogsforvictory.com/2008/06/16/energy-supply-and-demand-ignored/#comment-1548</link>
		<dc:creator>KMorrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn't trying to challenge your source.  I don't doubt the breakdown.  My source was providing a metaphor to help make sense of the data.

This is one issue I get to happily argue as and Independent.  Republicans dropped the ball on spending over the last eight years, and they dropped it again recently in not challenging the pork-laiden farm bill.

However, Senator McCain has been a champion of cutting government spending for years.  He's routinely criticized for having been against the Bush Tax Cuts, and now supporting their extention.  Yet his oposition came from his desire to see spending cuts accompany those tax cuts (as he offered his own set of tax cuts at that time), but recognizes that rolling them back now would only act as a tax increase.  I'm in agreement that cutting spending is a huge issue, and it's an issue that clearly favors Senator McCain.  

On the issue of tax increases, it has been well proven that tax increases in slow economy is damaging the economy.  The 'fairness' debate goes a lot further in a strong economy versus a weak one, but taxes put the brakes on economic development, and that's the last thing anyone wants to do right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t trying to challenge your source.  I don&#8217;t doubt the breakdown.  My source was providing a metaphor to help make sense of the data.</p>
<p>This is one issue I get to happily argue as and Independent.  Republicans dropped the ball on spending over the last eight years, and they dropped it again recently in not challenging the pork-laiden farm bill.</p>
<p>However, Senator McCain has been a champion of cutting government spending for years.  He&#8217;s routinely criticized for having been against the Bush Tax Cuts, and now supporting their extention.  Yet his oposition came from his desire to see spending cuts accompany those tax cuts (as he offered his own set of tax cuts at that time), but recognizes that rolling them back now would only act as a tax increase.  I&#8217;m in agreement that cutting spending is a huge issue, and it&#8217;s an issue that clearly favors Senator McCain.  </p>
<p>On the issue of tax increases, it has been well proven that tax increases in slow economy is damaging the economy.  The &#8216;fairness&#8217; debate goes a lot further in a strong economy versus a weak one, but taxes put the brakes on economic development, and that&#8217;s the last thing anyone wants to do right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://mccain.blogsforvictory.com/2008/06/16/energy-supply-and-demand-ignored/#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've seen that before KM.  That is trying to prove that the high income bracket will pay a larger percentage than the lower.

I hate to shoot the source, but my source came from CNN Money.  Yours came from a blog.

Anyway... 

Here is something else to think about when considering the tax plans:
&lt;i&gt;Tax studies have shown that when tax cuts are deficit funded and they're paid for by raising taxes in the future, "the economy is worse off than if you didn't cut at all," 
--Len Burman, the Tax Policy Center's director.
&lt;/i&gt;

So........... from the CNN Money article I linked above.  BOTH will be increasing the deficit which is awful...
&lt;blockquote&gt;Under both plans, all American taxpayers could pay a price for their tax cuts: a bigger deficit. The Tax Policy Center estimates that over 10 years, McCain's tax proposals could increase the national debt by as much as $4.5 trillion with interest, while Obama's could add as much as $3.3 trillion. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also, regarding McCain's tax plan....
The net result: compared with their tax bill today, taxpayers on average would see their tax bill cut by nearly $1,200. That means their after-tax income would rise by 2%.

But those in the lowest income groups would only see their after-tax income rise by less than 1% (or between $19 and $319). By contrast, the highest-income households - those with incomes of at least $603,000 - would see a boost in after-tax income of 3.4%, or more than $40,000.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So that kind of offsets that example you provided from the blog.

It is time for us to finally see that trickle down does nothing of the sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen that before KM.  That is trying to prove that the high income bracket will pay a larger percentage than the lower.</p>
<p>I hate to shoot the source, but my source came from CNN Money.  Yours came from a blog.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; </p>
<p>Here is something else to think about when considering the tax plans:<br />
<i>Tax studies have shown that when tax cuts are deficit funded and they&#8217;re paid for by raising taxes in the future, &#8220;the economy is worse off than if you didn&#8217;t cut at all,&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Len Burman, the Tax Policy Center&#8217;s director.<br />
</i></p>
<p>So&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. from the CNN Money article I linked above.  BOTH will be increasing the deficit which is awful&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Under both plans, all American taxpayers could pay a price for their tax cuts: a bigger deficit. The Tax Policy Center estimates that over 10 years, McCain&#8217;s tax proposals could increase the national debt by as much as $4.5 trillion with interest, while Obama&#8217;s could add as much as $3.3 trillion. </p></blockquote>
<p>Also, regarding McCain&#8217;s tax plan&#8230;.<br />
The net result: compared with their tax bill today, taxpayers on average would see their tax bill cut by nearly $1,200. That means their after-tax income would rise by 2%.</p>
<p>But those in the lowest income groups would only see their after-tax income rise by less than 1% (or between $19 and $319). By contrast, the highest-income households - those with incomes of at least $603,000 - would see a boost in after-tax income of 3.4%, or more than $40,000.</p>
<p>So that kind of offsets that example you provided from the blog.</p>
<p>It is time for us to finally see that trickle down does nothing of the sort.</p>
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		<title>By: KMorrison</title>
		<link>http://mccain.blogsforvictory.com/2008/06/16/energy-supply-and-demand-ignored/#comment-1546</link>
		<dc:creator>KMorrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://madirishmaninc.blogspot.com/2008/06/its-just-tax-cut-for-rich.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;This is an excellent&lt;/a&gt; article about why those of us in the middle class shouldn't be cheering on a tax hike on the rich. 

Tax hikes are particularly harmful to the economy when the economy is already struggling.  Increasing taxes on the rich in attempts to achieve a mythical idea of fairness ends up hurting those people that it claims it's protecting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://madirishmaninc.blogspot.com/2008/06/its-just-tax-cut-for-rich.html" rel="nofollow">This is an excellent</a> article about why those of us in the middle class shouldn&#8217;t be cheering on a tax hike on the rich. </p>
<p>Tax hikes are particularly harmful to the economy when the economy is already struggling.  Increasing taxes on the rich in attempts to achieve a mythical idea of fairness ends up hurting those people that it claims it&#8217;s protecting.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,
Regarding Kennedy and the wind farm....... 

If I remember correctly, you like Mitt Romney in the primaries, didn't you?  Mitt was every bit AGAINST the wind farm as Kennedy was.
Trust me... I live in Boston.

I personally think they were BOTH wrong on that and that wind farm should have happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,<br />
Regarding Kennedy and the wind farm&#8230;&#8230;. </p>
<p>If I remember correctly, you like Mitt Romney in the primaries, didn&#8217;t you?  Mitt was every bit AGAINST the wind farm as Kennedy was.<br />
Trust me&#8230; I live in Boston.</p>
<p>I personally think they were BOTH wrong on that and that wind farm should have happened.</p>
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