The Trouble with the Democrat’s Love of Liberal Elites

August 22nd, 2008 at 01:33pm KMorrison

Excerpt from The Mystery of Obama’s Problems

John McCain is pulling ahead of Obama. The latest Reuters poll has Grandpa Munster up five percentage points over our secular messiah. The Real Clear Politics average of polls has Obama and McCain in a virtual tie. And, according to RCP, if the race were held today and McCain took the toss-up states where he’s currently ahead, he’d be the next president. Yes, it’s early. McCain has had a good couple weeks. But these were McCain’s first good couple weeks since he secured the nomination. Meanwhile, with the exception of the Jeremiah Wright unpleasantness, Obama has had a good couple years.

The winds at the Democrats’ backs are hurricane-force gales, and yet there’s Obama holding steady, like a young Dan Rather in his schoolgirl rain slicker, immobile and unmovable.

Ask the typical Obama supporter why this should be so and you’ll get a range of answers. Some just stare at the poll numbers the way my late basset hound would look at me when I tried to feed him a grape: with pure unblinking incomprehension. Others act like the guy who sits alone with his shopping bags at the public library, muttering about Fox News conspiracies and how Karl Rove-like aliens are doing terrible things with probes of proctological exactitude. Still others just shake their heads at the racism of anyone who could possibly have a problem with a very left-wing politician with almost no experience, who often sounds like his campaign slogan is: “People of Earth! Stop Your Bickering. I Am From Harvard, And I’m Here To Help.”

Perhaps therein lies the answer to this supposed mystery. Indeed, perhaps there’s no mystery at all, and Obama’s problems are the same problems Democrats always have at the presidential level: He’s an elitist.

Oh, I know. Upon reading that, some liberal spluttered herbal chai tea from her nose at the injustice of this whole elitist canard, and the earnest Ivy League interns at some liberal magazine have burst into laughter, offering the appropriate bons mots from Balzac at the preposterousness of such a suggestion, saying: “Don’t you conservatives understand? Democrats care about the little guy. They’re on the side of the proletariat — I mean workers — and as Obama has so eloquently put it, if the workers would only stop clinging to their silly sky god and guns, they’d understand that.”

Liberalism is often a problem at the presidential level. Cultural liberalism is a burden. Haughty cultural liberalism is a disaster in the making. For good or ill, the presidency is a cultural institution as much as it is a political institution. And it’s fundamentally a culturally conservative one. Fair or not, many perceive Obama as a cultural outsider. This week, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley said of Obama’s friendship with former left-wing domestic terrorist Bill Ayers: “They’re friends. So what?”

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  • 1. Joe  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Obama’s problems are the same problems Democrats always have at the presidential level: He’s an elitist.

    Wow KM. Usually I don’t have much of a problem with your posts. We tend to disagree on a lot of things, but usually it isn’t massive chasms. This however is just flat out crazy. This is just regurgitating GOP talking points.

    First off, it is kind of funny how you bring this up at the time when McCain shows what a “commoner” he is by not remembering (or knowing) how many freakin’ houses he has. I know, that is an issue that every common person has. Nothing “elitist” about that.
    Obama is an elitist why? Because he has one house? Yes, it is a nice house, but it is a house that most CEO’s or other high-level business folks would own. So I guess he must be an elitist because his reported income was $4.5 million. Well…… according to McCain, that isn’t even “rich”. To be “rich”, McCain believe you would have an income topping $5 million.

    Is Obama an elitist because he walks around in $550 shoes? Oh… that would be McCain that does that. (And the righties got all freaked out over a $200 Edwards haircut).

    This whole “elitist” crap is going to come back and bite McCain right in the ass. But hey… keep pushing it.

    As for polls… 2 and a half months out, before any VP announced and before any of the Conventions really doesn’t mean a whole lot. Trend lines are cool to look at, but still. There are just too many undecided’s still.

    Anyway, all McCain supporters were so excited about that one poll that showed McCain in the lead nationally. But let’s look at the key states.

    Go here for trendlines… http://www.pollster.com

    PA – Obama 48.6 – 41.6 and the trend lines clearly are pointing to Obama rising.
    OH – Obama 45.6 – 43.9 This is a close one. The trend lines show McCain flat and Obama with a slight rise.
    MI – Obama 47.5 – 41.6 The trend lines clearly show Obama rising and McCain flat-lining
    FL – McCain 46.9 – 45.6 Finally one that has the composite leaning toward McCain. Although look at that Obama line
    NM – Obama 49 – 43.1 The lines are clearly showing Obama trending upwards.
    VA – Obama 46.3 – 45.4 Slight lead, but geesh… Virginia hasn’t voted for a Democrat in what? 50 years??
    NV – McCain 44.7 – 44.4 Nevada?? Wow… less than 1 point.
    NC – McCain 47.7 – 43.3 Shouldn’t this be a safe GOP state?
    AK – Obama 44.6 – 41.9 Alaska!!! McCain’s trend line is pointing straight down for cryin’ out loud!!!

    I’m not going to claim that Obama has a chance at McCain’s home state (or at least where 1 of those homes are), but look at McCain’s trend line.
    http://www.pollster.com/polls/az/08-az-pres-ge-mvo.php

    So yes… the national trend lines show an incredibly tight race, but I think we all know that the winner of the national vote does not win the Presidency.

    By the way… right on the main page, is a count of the electoral votes. If you count “Strong Dem and Leans Dem”, that amounts to 260 electoral votes of the 270 needed. “Strong Rep and Leans Rep” amount for 191 of the 270. That leaves 87. McCain would have to win virtually every one of those to win.

    There is still a long ways to go, this is by no means a cake-walk and I’m sure there will be movement one way or the other, but please don’t point to one poll that has McCain winning nationally and say Obama is in so much trouble.

    I usually expect more from your posts than “He is an elitist” and “McCain is leading in a poll”.

  • 2. Joe  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Obama’s problems are the same problems Democrats always have at the presidential level: He’s an elitist.

    Wow KM. Usually I don’t have much of a problem with your posts. We tend to disagree on a lot of things, but usually it isn’t massive chasms. This however is just flat out crazy. This is just regurgitating GOP talking points.

    First off, it is kind of funny how you bring this up at the time when McCain shows what a “commoner” he is by not remembering (or knowing) how many freakin’ houses he has. I know, that is an issue that every common person has. Nothing “elitist” about that.
    Obama is an elitist why? Because he has one house? Yes, it is a nice house, but it is a house that most CEO’s or other high-level business folks would own. So I guess he must be an elitist because his reported income was $4.5 million. Well…… according to McCain, that isn’t even “rich”. To be “rich”, McCain believe you would have an income topping $5 million.

    Is Obama an elitist because he walks around in $550 shoes? Oh… that would be McCain that does that. (And the righties got all freaked out over a $200 Edwards haircut).

    This whole “elitist” crap is going to come back and bite McCain right in the ass. But hey… keep pushing it.

    As for polls… 2 and a half months out, before any VP announced and before any of the Conventions really doesn’t mean a whole lot. Trend lines are cool to look at, but still. There are just too many undecided’s still.

    Anyway, all McCain supporters were so excited about that one poll that showed McCain in the lead nationally. But let’s look at the key states.

    Go here for trendlines… http://www.pollster.com

    PA – Obama 48.6 – 41.6 and the trend lines clearly are pointing to Obama rising.
    OH – Obama 45.6 – 43.9 This is a close one. The trend lines show McCain flat and Obama with a slight rise.
    MI – Obama 47.5 – 41.6 The trend lines clearly show Obama rising and McCain flat-lining
    FL – McCain 46.9 – 45.6 Finally one that has the composite leaning toward McCain. Although look at that Obama line
    NM – Obama 49 – 43.1 The lines are clearly showing Obama trending upwards.
    VA – Obama 46.3 – 45.4 Slight lead, but geesh… Virginia hasn’t voted for a Democrat in what? 50 years??
    NV – McCain 44.7 – 44.4 Nevada?? Wow… less than 1 point.
    NC – McCain 47.7 – 43.3 Shouldn’t this be a safe GOP state?
    AK – Obama 44.6 – 41.9 Alaska!!! McCain’s trend line is pointing straight down for cryin’ out loud!!!

    I’m not going to claim that Obama has a chance at McCain’s home state (or at least where 1 of those homes are), but look at McCain’s trend line.
    pollster.com/polls/az/08-az-pres-ge-mvo.php

    So yes… the national trend lines show an incredibly tight race, but I think we all know that the winner of the national vote does not win the Presidency.

    By the way… right on the main page, is a count of the electoral votes. If you count “Strong Dem and Leans Dem”, that amounts to 260 electoral votes of the 270 needed. “Strong Rep and Leans Rep” amount for 191 of the 270. That leaves 87. McCain would have to win virtually every one of those to win.

    There is still a long ways to go, this is by no means a cake-walk and I’m sure there will be movement one way or the other, but please don’t point to one poll that has McCain winning nationally and say Obama is in so much trouble.

    I usually expect more from your posts than “He is an elitist” and “McCain is leading in a poll”.

  • 3. Joe  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Oh yes… Obama is the “elitist”.

    The McCains increased their budget for household employees from $184,000 in 2006 to $273,000 in 2007, according to John McCain’s tax returns.

    The additional cash supports an “increase in the number of employees,” said the McCain aide, who did not say whether the growing staff stemmed from the addition of new properties to the family’s real estate portfolio.

    That is really something that every common person needs to worry about… a budget for “household employees”.

    I spend $1 a week for my 7 yr old daughter to keep her room clean.

    Obama the “elitist”. That is really funny.

  • 4. KMorrison  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Had to needle you bit with that post Joe ;)

    Obviously both candidates are rich. Two points; one I’m not always sure how Dems realize how they portray themselves at times. I think Kerry is the perfect example. He was the smartest guy in the room, but that sometimes comes of as obnoxious. Second, posting humor doesn’t always work here, but I thought the manner it was written and the needling of the Obama supporters reaction to the polls was amusing. No offense, and I’m sure you can find plenty of examples of obnoxious McCain supporter, but at least online Obama supporters can be a tad over zealous.

    Hope I didn’t offend you too much.

  • 5. Joe  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    No offense taken. You just hear it over and over and over again on how “elitist” Obama is. It was getting a bit crazy.

  • 6. Eric T  |  August 23rd, 2008 at 6:43 am

    Joe- I kinda see Obama as a puppet for George Soros. and The liberal elite like Warren Buffet ect…

  • 7. Eric T  |  August 24th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Joe-

    “Cultural liberalism is a burden”

    Many people this election, will reject cultural liberalism and be happy to cling to “God and their guns.”

    For the party of the working man, the democrats sure have a lot of wealthy donors and supporters. Take a look at these Hollywood elites incomes.

    http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/22/actors-hollywood-movies-biz-media-cx_lr_0722actors.html

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/specials/fortunate50/2008/

    How come Obama is not calling for a windfall profits tax on these guys???

  • 8. Joe  |  August 24th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Eric T, do you have any reason for that belief other than Rush or Hannity saying so?

    Let me ask you this…..
    Do you believe Bush is just a puppet to the Oil Companies?
    Do you believe McCain is just a puppet to the lobbyists?

    Don’t just spout off regular Rush comments without thinking about it and actually looking into it just for a moment.

  • 9. Eric T  |  August 24th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    http://www.nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?ID=151

    Joe- from KM’s post, “Cultural liberalism is a burden.”

    Joe, people don’t want the agenda the left offers, they want to take away freedom and increase taxes.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/taxplan.html

  • 10. Joe  |  August 25th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Well Eric… I guess you need to vote for Bob Barr then.

    When Soros was looking for a vehicle to bring this scheme to fruition, who was standing with his hand extended? Senator John McCain. And, richly rewarded he was. During the 2000 political season John McCain and Russ Feingold attended the two so-called ‘Shadow Conventions’ that Soros sponsored. McCain, who is desperately attempting to retain his false title of ‘Republican’, was the keynote speaker at the ultra-liberal Philadelphia convention while Feingold spoke at the Los Angeles event. Low and behold, in 2001, John McCain founded the Reform Institute largely funded by a huge donation from George Soros’ Open Society Institute and his Tides Foundation.

    I obviously pulled that from some left-wing crazy website, right?

    Well, here it is… http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/30556.html

    Notice the website…. “The Conservative Voice”

    Do I think McCain is taking his walking orders from Soros? No. I don’t think Obama is either.

    Right wingers love to hate George Soros and love to blame him for a number of things just because he is rich and donates money to Democrats.

    Wait, wait… I guess John McCain must just be a complete puppet to Rupert Murdoch!!

    I’ve told you before… Obama is not going to take away your guns. Don’t worry about it. That is like thinking that George W Bush was going to put an end to all abortions. It just isn’t going to happen. These are just hot-button issues to fire up the base. Nothing will ever get done with them. So vote things that might actually change and will actually affect you.

  • 11. Joe  |  August 25th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Joe, people don’t want the agenda the left offers, they want to take away freedom and increase taxes.

    I think we’ve been thru this before. Democrats will not take away your freedoms. That was George Bush and that Republican Congress that took away your freedoms.
    Democrats are not going to increase your taxes… unless you are making over $250,000.

    With the current debt that we owe, at the rate that Bush has borrowed and spent and that McCain’s “tax cuts” are set out, your taxes may decrease initially, but your kids and your kid’s kids WILL have higher taxes because we will just owe more and more.

    Read about the tax plans and form your own opinions. Don’t just take the word of Hannity and Rush.

  • 12. Eric T  |  August 26th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    Joe-

    If Obama had picked Bill Richardson or a democrat with a better record on guns for a VP, this might not be as big of an issue. However, take a look at Obama’s record on guns, in the short amount of time he has been in the Senate, look at all these measures he has taken to reduce, regulate and restrict freedom. The millions of gun owners, hunters, competition shooters, and recreational shooters have a valid reason to reject Obama/Biden in 08

    http://www.nraila.org/OBAMA/

  • 13. Joe  |  August 26th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    OK Eric… let’s suspend reality for just a minute and go under the assumption that Obama holds the full and complete power to allow to ban all guns and he says that he intends to take away all guns……… you may actually have reason to be worried about your hobby.

    Now, back to the real world…………
    Even if Obama says he wants to take away your guns (which he hasn’t), he can’t without Congress passing a law. Even with a Dem controlled Congress, there are enough Dems in Congress that wouldn’t allow it to happen. This law would never get passed. Think about it for a minute.

    Now get past the gun issue because just like gay marriage and abortion, nothing will happen with this and it isn’t worth basing your vote on this one issue.

    Worry about what their other policies are going to do to your wallet and what their policies mean to your kids future and your kid’s kids future. Do you want more of the same that we’ve had for the last 8 years? I certainly don’t.

  • 14. Joe  |  August 26th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    By the way Eric… Check out this site:
    http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

    McCain
    2000 C-
    2002 C-
    2004 F-
    2006 F-

    How about this?

    John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 that would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows. According to GOA, the provision would effectively eliminate gun shows, because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every “person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law].”

    The GOA report of the 106th Congress reveals that out of 15 votes relating to the right to keep and bear arms, Senator John McCain voted favorably only 4 times. Put that into a percentage and McCain’s pro-Second Amendment voting record is a pathetic 27%.

    For example, if John McCain’s proposed legislation were to become law, a gun owner who travels with a gun through a school zone or who uses one of the family handguns to go target shooting with a 15-year old could be sent to prison. And a person who uses a gun for self-defense could be sent to prison for a mandatory minimum of five years.

    How about this comment on McCain’s gun positions?

    John McCain suffers from “senator’s disease” as a presidential candidate: as a long-time U.S. Senator, he has the most documented track record on the issues of all the top echelon candidates for 2008. Living up to his reputation as a maverick and a free thinker, McCain has not toed the gun rights party line. His record is profoundly mixed. Sometimes he has been with us; sometimes he has been very much against us. At times he has advocated positions such as mandatory gun locks and background checks at gun shows and then voted against the legislation when it finally came to a vote. Also he has voted against particular issues and then later advocated them in public statements. He is really hard to get a fix on with gun rights.

    So does McCain really believe what he says or do we look at what he’s done? Is he flip-flopping or is he just pandering to the gun vote.

    And if he picks Romney as Veep, then you have two guys that are not exactly strong on guns.

    So good luck with your Gun vote. Bob Barr must be looking much better to you lately.

  • 15. Eric T  |  August 26th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Joe- Your right about Mitt being much weaker on the issue. But John McCain has a very strong record on guns. Those GOA grades are from the primaries, GOA preferred Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee. Ask GOA how they would vote today, Anyone that is into this stuff can clearly see the difference between Obama and John McCain. Bob Barr is a waste of a vote he has no chance!

    Criminal Background Checks

    John McCain supports instant criminal background checks to help prohibit criminals from buying firearms and has voted to ensure they are conducted thoroughly, efficiently, and without infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.

    Background Checks at Gun Shows

    At a time when some were trying to shut down gun shows in the name of fighting crime, John McCain tried to preserve gun shows by standardizing sales procedures. Federal law requires licensed firearm sellers at gun shows to do an instant criminal background check on purchasers while private firearm sellers at gun shows do not have to conduct such a check. John McCain introduced legislation that would require an instant criminal background check for all sales at gun shows and believes that such checks must be conducted quickly to ensure that unnecessary delays do not effectively block transactions.

  • 16. Eric T  |  August 26th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-unitedstates.html

    Joe since Bush has been in office abortions have went down, look at the chart, compare it to the Clinton years. Look at all these lives saved by the pro-life Republicans.

  • 17. Joe  |  August 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    15. Eric T – “But John McCain has a very strong record on guns.

    Really?

    Gun Control
    Not content with limiting Americans’ 1st Amendment protections, McCain has also taken aim at the 2nd Amendment. In 2001, he was the lead sponsor of an anti-gun show bill (S 890) that gun-rights groups adamantly opposed. On Nov. 30, 2001, the NRA wrote about McCain’s determination to push the bill though the Senate:

    “In an effort to help move his stalled legislation, McCain has embraced the anti-gun organization Americans for Gun Safety (AGS) and the gun-ban lobby formerly known as HCI, as well as the shameless strategy these groups have adopted of exploiting our nation’s legitimate fears over terrorism in the wake of the attacks of September 11.
    “. . . McCain told USA Today: ‘Clearly, alleged members of terrorist organizations have been able to secure guns and weapons using the gun-show loophole,’ a bogus claim AGS began making within days of the terrorist attacks. NRA-ILA Executive Director James Jay Baker … told USA Today, ‘None of the terrorism we saw visited on this country on September 11 had anything to do with firearms.’
    “It should not be too surprising to find Sen. McCain reading from an AGS-supplied script, however, as the Arizona lawmaker and the anti-gun organization have schemed to promote attacks on gun shows for more than a year. AGS — founded and funded by billionaire and former HCI board member Andrew McKelvey — has committed to spend at least $1 million to promote McCain’s legislation. So much for McCain’s ‘opposition’ to well-funded special interest groups.”

    McCain introduced another anti-gun show bill on Oct. 31, 2003, based on the 2001 bill.
    Describing McCain’s political transformation on gun rights timed with his 2000 presidential run, Gun Owners of America, who gave McCain grades of “F-minus” in their 2004 and 2006 grading cycles, recently said in an op-ed:

    “Earlier in his career, McCain had voted against the Clinton crime bill (which contained a ban on so-called assault weapons), and he did not join the 16 Senate Republicans who voted for the Brady bill, which required a five-day waiting period for the purchase of a handgun. But as he ramped up for his presidential run in 2000, McCain, expanding on the ‘maverick’ theme, staked out a position on guns far to the left of his primary opponent, George W. Bush.
    “McCain began speaking out against small, inexpensive handguns and he entertained the idea of supporting the ‘assault weapons’ ban. . . .
    “McCain was featured in radio and television ads in Colorado and Oregon supporting initiatives to severely regulate gun shows and register gun buyers. Anti-gunners were ecstatic to get McCain on board. . . . The ads not only pushed the anti-gun-show measure in those two states, they also served to undermine the efforts of gun rights activists who were furiously lobbying against the same type of bill in Congress. . . .
    “John McCain tried running for President in 2000 as an anti-gunner. This year it appears he is seeking to ‘come home’ to the pro-gun community, but the wounds are deep and memories long.”

    So is McCain for or against? I guess as long as he is for now (in words), where he was before doesn’t matter. Do you think he would even vote for his own bill if it came up right now? My guess is…… he’ll just skip that vote like he has the last what… 100 votes?

  • 18. Eric T  |  August 26th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Joe- Read this again,

    Background Checks at Gun Shows

    At a time when some were trying to shut down gun shows in the name of fighting crime, John McCain tried to preserve gun shows by standardizing sales procedures. Federal law requires licensed firearm sellers at gun shows to do an instant criminal background check on purchasers while private firearm sellers at gun shows do not have to conduct such a check. John McCain introduced legislation that would require an instant criminal background check for all sales at gun shows and believes that such checks must be conducted quickly to ensure that unnecessary delays do not effectively block transactions

    Joe, lets say me and you go to the gun show, I take a gun that want to sell because I no longer like the gun or need some cash. When a buyer sees the gun and wants to buy it. We go to a dealer that sells guns, he runs the background check on the buyer. The ATF/FBI do the instant background check, the buyer fills out the paperwork.

    This some may feel is a registry, but I personnaly like the fact that The ATF/FBI is doing the background check. Let’s say there was no record of the transfer. The buyer goes out and commits a crime with the gun, that is still registered to me, then leaves the gun at the seen of the crime. Guess who now has a big problem on his hands, me!!!

    So I see this a giving the new owner, a title, ownership and responsiblity for the gun.

    You are spitting Ron Paul’s primary campaign material back. GOA has not updated their site. If they did you would see that McCain and Obama are two worlds apart on the issue.

    Obama would wipe out, complete classes of guns, and ammo, pretty much destroy the 2nd Amendment, hunting, sport shooting.

    McCain has not supported the Clinton Gun ban, ammo bans, magazine capacity ban, and alot of the nonsense Obama/Biden have supported.

    McCain, other than on the transfer that protects the seller from liability, he Leaves your hobby alone. Where as you can count on Obama forcing his way into your collection/hobby/sport pretty much destroying it forever, with a record like he has that clearly tells you what he will take from you.

    I watched Obama’s wife give a speech last night, his family is beautiful and I’m proud America has gotten past racism and the Leader of the Democrats is an African American for the first time in history. But it is clear this guy will take your guns. Tax policy, and other issues are nowhere near as important to me. I look foward to hunting all year, shooting is a hobby just like golf, or boating is to many.

  • 19. Joe  |  August 26th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Obama would wipe out, complete classes of guns, and ammo, pretty much destroy the 2nd Amendment, hunting, sport shooting.

    I just find that statement completely crazy.

    Apparently we will have to agree to disagree.

    I’ll still argue that Obama doesn’t have the final say on guns, so this is a non-issue. This is too much of a wedge issue for any party to do anything about. You’ll still be able to use all your guns and ammo that you currently have.

    We need to worry about things that actually affect us. This is about 100th on the list.

  • 20. Eric T  |  August 27th, 2008 at 5:35 am

    Joe-

    FACT: Barack Obama voted against the confirmation of 2 of the 5 Justices that affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms.

    FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

    FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

    FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

    FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

    FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

    FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

    FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
    who use firearms in self-defense.5

    FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

    FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

    FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

    FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

    FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

    FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

    FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

    FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

    FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

    FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

    FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

    FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

  • 21. Joe  |  August 27th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    FACT: McCain got an F- from gunowners of America in 2004 and 2006.

    So now, those are just outdated? Does that mean he would now get an A+? Would that be considered a flip-flop, a pander, or did his beliefs just take a turn for the better?

    Again, guns aren’t getting taken away regardless who is in office.

  • 22. KMorrison  |  August 27th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    A couple points on the elitist moniker. I don’t think there are many people that would argue that either financial success or academic achievement are a bad thing. However, in my view their are two types of ‘annoying’ elitists, those who try to make others feel bad because they don’t have as much money, and those that try to make others feel bad because they don’t have the same level of education.

    It seems that there is a group of Obama supporters that fall into the category of educational elitists that are not helping as their condesention is being attributed to their candidate. Certainly Obama’s ‘guns and God’ comment didn’t help him, but I think it’s a certain group of his supporters who are apparently too smart to recognize that their own behavior and bad attitude hurts their candidate.

    –Joe are you opposed to background checks at gun shows?

  • 23. Eric T  |  August 27th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    KM- The problem with the elitist left, is they want to take away our guns and leave us and our families defenseless, while they live in gated communities with armed guards and heavy security.

  • 24. Joe  |  August 27th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    KM, I am not opposed. I am all for full and complete background checks regardless where the gun is bought. If that takes 3 days, so be it. If it takes 10 days, then fine.
    If someone needs their gun in less time, then you really need to ask why.

    I’m all for guns used for hunting. I personally don’t hunt, but I know plenty of people that do. Love fresh venison on the grill. Again, there is no need for a rush on the gun. So yes… all for background checks.

    I don’t understand why the hell someone needs a high-powered semi-automatic rifle. That is a whole other story.

    Eric, I guess you don’t want to believe that your guns aren’t going to be taken away. And that is funny that it would leave “us and our families defenseless”. That is a funny line. I hope to God that you never have to use yours in self-defense.

  • 25. Eric T  |  August 27th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Joe-

    I’m a collector,shooting is my hobby.
    Sporting Clays (not skeet or trap) is better than golf anyday. One thing I like about target shooting, is it is something you don’t need a group of people to do, like golf, baseball, ect.. you get some time off work, you don’t need to make arrangements with people, you just go shooting.

    I watched Clinton, Ban half of my collection.

    I don’t want to see our government Turning American citizens into criminals.

    Joe I seen it with my own eyes when Clinton was in. Look at Obama’s record one more time.

    I could list the guns that I owned banned under Clinton, I know you’ll write back and say don’t worry about it Eric they ain’t going to take your guns.

    I’m going to reply, yes they have Joe, I can list the guns I owned that were banned.

  • 26. Eric T  |  August 27th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Joe- you sound like some kind of elitist yourself when you said;

    “I don’t understand why the hell someone needs a high-powered semi-automatic rifle. That is a whole other story.”

    I don’t know what you enjoy for a hobby, maybe dancing, shopping, watching porno? How about if someone tells you, I don’t understand why someone needs a speedboat, a muscle car, expensive clothes, a personal jet ect….

    They have competition shoots with service rifles, many can be used for hunting.

    I’ll tell you that many folks just enjoy owning the gun or type of gun that their dad or grandfather used in WW2 or Korea ect…

    Clinton Gun ban included the M-1 Garand, and M-1 carbine. These classic guns may have been handed down and have real sentimental value to many people. I can tell you have not served in the military.

    But you, Obama and your elitist yuppy gun ban pals ought to worry about your own hobby. Look at how many deaths are cause from drunk drivers.

    Go ban bars, alcohol, or automobiles or something else.

  • 27. KMorrison  |  August 27th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    If I remember right I believe the NRA’s opposition to McCain was less about actual defense of the second ammendment and more was about an opposition to his stance on campaign finance reform as they didn’t want limitations on their ability to fund a candidate or an opposition campaign.

    I’m far from being a gun expert, but I look at it as first a consitutional issue, and second as issue best addressed by the local government. I can understand Eric’s concern about Obama’s stance on guns becase he flipped on the DC gun ban, and he filled out a survey in the state Senate saying he would support a ban on the manufacturing of guns. I know he’s said that it was a staffer that filled out that survey, but that can’t be comforting to gun owners. It is reasonable to think that with an Obama presidency and a Democratically controlled Congress the gun control laws would likely be increased.

    Well, at least I think we may all be in agreement about background checks.

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